Elven Dating and Singles Forum

[aartiana]

I do not know how many of MEP members would be interested in this type of thing (and especially that MEP members resonate with more than the elven energy of Middle-Earth), but I do know this - elven energy is being awakened in a big way and it seems to make sense to have more than a few ways to find like-minded!

I thought I would at least let all of you know that this exists. It is ran by the yahoogroup "elfinzone" founder and Utolk member Ravenwolf and his wife Lisa, both elf-kind and who met on the internet by complete chance. Both Ravenwolf and Lisa resonate with Tolkien elf energy but I do believe all elf kind are invited. Eventually, they may offer elven wedding and handfasting information and services.

Even if this isn't right for MEP members, this could be a good referral for interested inquirers of this sort of thing. Thanks tons you guys! Here is their site:

elvendates.proboards58.com/index.cgi

Calantirniel (co-owner of Utolk)
www.thehiddenrealm.org

[twilight]

Thanks for posting those links.
The second one, the hidden realm, looked particularly interesting. It's too bad it's under construction at the moment. I was interedted in their mention of recreating the Elven spirituality; it seems a bit different from what we do here, although maybe it would be a good topic to bring into this forum as well.

~Aelish~

[~Theodora~]

Real Elves??

[Laurasia]

Hi Theodora.

Yep, real Elves & those that are either descended from or re-incarnated from Elves as well. ;D

Sincerely,
Laurasia

[kirsty]

Can I ask a completley newbie question? Are or were Elves people from and ancient time on this earth or from a different dimension/reality? If they are from a different dimension/reality are they capable of traveling through dimensions to this one?

[Laurasia]

Hi Kirsty.

Well it depends on who you ask, really. Some say that they are of this demension, others say they are from a different dimesion, & some others say that they are able to pass through different dimensions. ;D More often than not, the Elvish history has been described to me as Elves having origins in a dimension "alongside" our own. But that at sometime they came over into this dimension & reside/resided with us.

Sincerely,
Laurasia

[twilight]

The theory I am most drawn to is that at the beginning of the world, way back when, there was only one plane of existance, and that they gradually (or not so gradually, depending on whom you ask) separated so some beings stayed on this one and others went elsewhere. Some legends about the faery folk (particularly of Scotland and Ireland, that I have heard) support this, there are stories about various types of elves/fey who once lived on our very earth, but at some point moved out of it.
I wish I had my books on faeries! I can't remember specific stories. Does this sound familiar to anyone else?
It also of course goes along with the structure of Tolkien's Arda and Aman, which used to be in the same 'world' (is that the right word?) but then Aman was removed from it and many of the Elves went there. But I believe this idea is a lot older than Tolkien's works.
As far as elves being able to travel through dimensions, I would say that they can only do this through reincarnation (and anyone can really, I think.) Maybe some might have a predisposition for astral travel or something like that, but I have never heard of anyone actually traveling across dimensions.
By the way, when you say dimensions, do you mean the same thing as planes?

~Aelish~

[kirsty]

Well a lot of people say they have come in contact with angels that have appeared to them as human... many spiritual entities have done that. Ascended beings, angels, demons etc... All of those beings live in an different/higher plane of existance and can come here in physical form if they choose. I don't see why the reverse wouldn't be possible for beings who wanted or needed to leave. Ascension is a perfect example of that. Perhaps the elves evolved and ascended to a higher plane of existance.

I have many many beliefs and theories about the beginnings of the world as we know it and how the earth was before that. (part of an extreemly short version) A lot of terrible things happened a long long time ago. Many survived many did not. I belive some survived through ascension an some got stuck here, while others I believe went to another dimension/reality.

Granted I do not know much about middle earth paganism. But I do remember that in LOTR talk of the elves going to the "white shores" of something or other. (I cant remember the name) But I got the impression that is was a place for them to exist in immortality without dieing. That the world now belonged to the race of humans and it was their time to move on. Perhaps these white shores were a different dimension.

I've even heard that there was a group of trible people in south america that moved into another dimension during the spanish invasion where everything in the mayan empire was being utterly destroyed. I think it is very possible.

This is very fascinating!

[~Theodora~]

So, they have pointy ears and are bautyful and all that?? Thats so cool...Has any of u met any?

[Laurasia]

Hi Theodora.

Well being Elvish/part Elvish/descended from Elves/being reincarnated from an Elvish lifetime does not guarantee that someone is going to have pointy ears &/or be physically beautiful, anymore than being a vampire guarantees that someone is "evil".

I believe that some of our members here are Elvish in some way. Perhaps some of them would be willing to speak with you about it at length a bit more.

Sincerely,
Laurasia

[twilight]

There are many different kinds of elves. Even when we are talking about Tolkien's elves, we have to remember that there were also the Avari that we know almost nothing about; most likely they became quite different from the other Eldar. Outside of Tolkien there are many other creatures called elves or something like them (for example the Tuatha de Dannan, who are similar to Tolkien's elves, but are still not the same) and they exist in many cultures. Some are tall and beautiful like the Eldar and have pointy ears; others are small and dark colored (I know this is the image in the Mists of Avalon, but I do believe it comes from actual legends, don't know which ones), or ugly (the dark norse elves); some have wings, some are old, some are immortal and some are not. When someone says they are elven, it can mean many, many different things.
Also, even if they are decended from or reincarnated from a specific kind, such as JRRT's, it doesn't mean they have those physical features. My grandmother is about 4 foot 10 inches tall, if that, but I am not; One of my friends has red hair and her family has no idea where it came from. You could have elven blood, but not the steryotypical features. And after reincarnating, people don't necessarily look the same. Think about styles and habbits that affect our appearance; these are certainly different from what we experienced in previous lives (I guarantee you a modern elf who sits on her couch watching TV all day and eating potatoe chips will not look nearly as beautiful as an elf a millenium ago who had to walk farther and eat better than we do) Also what is beautiful? That varies greatly. If a pure elf from Middle Earth walked into our world, would they be seen as beautiful? or would we not be able to see it because it was different from us?

~Aelish~

[~Theodora~]

I guess that I have to learn some things about Elves
So, how do u know if u are Elvish?

[twilight]

theodora said:

So, how do u know if u are Elvish?

You feel it. i don't know anything to compre the feeling of being "other" with. How do you know you're a human? Well, I suppose people tell you that. When someone is 'other' (and not just elves), they often feel that something is missing. Something that doesn't really exist in this time, place, or society (this, though, can also be remembering a past life as a human). Usually there is no explaination for it. There may be something that triggers the "awakening," but it is not explainable in the ways that most people would try to explain it away. For example, often the first argument is that the person is probably, perhaps subconsiously, trying to escape their reality; especially with teens; that they want to feel special or superior (though elves arenot necessarily so!) But it can be clear as day that this is not the case. If it is the case, the person usually moves on after a while of trying to convince themselves they are an elf. Sometimes the awakening just happens out of the blue and the sensation of being 'other' does not leave as the person grows up or situations in their life change.

Some people have memories that do not fit with a human past. Some people just know beyond all doubt. I don't know how.


~Aelish~

[~Theodora~]

I do feel things like I dont belong here or I try to "escape the reality". Often I am just in a place of my own, where I imagine things and feel different. Or like u said, sometimes I feel special ro superior. But u know, I dont think that I have something Elvish in me. Arent there any simptoms or something like that?

[twilight]

Physical symptoms? Some people say there are, but I don't really think so, or at least that can be separated from human traits. For example, some people say pointy ears are a sign, but there are many humans who have slightly pointy ears and many elves who do not. I suppose certain types might have certain peculiar charicteristics, but I don't know what they would be/
If you really don't think you are elven, you probably aren't. But even if you are, you probably won't know for quite some time, because it takes a long time to be certain, especially to be certain that this is not just a phase. I don't mean that in a criticisng or offensive way. We all go through phases, and we should acknowledge these. It isn't a bad thing, but it doesn't mean one is elven.

~Aelish~