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Post by lovemeorhateme on Jul 10, 2006 21:15:54 GMT -5
Hey everyone i found this under a section called Power Of The Blood in a book called True Vampires by Sondra London and I just thought it was interesting and thought i would share it and see what you all think about it...
"The up-and -coming spiritual leader had just drawn a crowd of five thousand, whom he wowed by feeding them all with paltry five loaves of barley and two fish. Right after that, when he was actually seen walking on water, people started talking about making this remarkable man their king. But when he broached the preposterous idea of the attainment of eternal life via the quaffing of his blood and mastication of his flesh, the thousands who had eagerly dined on his miraculous loaves abruptly reneged on him, and all but a dozen of his horrified followers abandoned the nascent religious movement.
'Jesus said to them, "I'll tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink...Your forefathers ate manna and died; but he who feeds on this bread will live forever." He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum. On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?"...From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.' - John 6:52-66
The shocking idea that outraged so many of the disciples who heard it from Jesus Christ himself went on to become the cornerstone of the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. Transubstantiation via the Sacrament of the Eucharist provides an objective correlative for the incorporation of the teachings of the spiritual master into the belief system, and thence the behavior, or the believer. The attainment of endless life via the literal consumption of the living substance of flesh and blood is among the most primative beliefs found world wide, but more sinister twist on the same beguiling concept is involved in phenomena of a vampiric nature."
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Post by Laurasia on Jul 12, 2006 2:32:19 GMT -5
Hi Lovemeorhateme. Interesting article, thank you for putting it up. Hopefully we don't have any Roman Catholic members here that decide to flame me for what I am about to say. This is simply my own opinion. (Let's all just bear in mind that I once was a Roman Catholic myself, though I now adhere to a more Gnostic form of Christianity...meaning that I do have a grasp of the Roman Catholic Church's veiw of the Eucharist. ) Anyway, people need to bear in mind the time & place in which Jesus spoke those words. He was trying to differentiate his followers from the Jews, while also trying to make clear that the Old Laws (specifically the dietary laws in this case) that had been set forth for the Jewish people to follow in the Old Testament were no longer neccessary. I am by no means implying that breaking old dietary laws was the main reason for the Eucharist. I still have a drawing towards partaking of the Eucharist at times as well. It is a deeply personal spiritual acceptance of Jesus completely into your being ritualistically...so clearly the Eucharist is more than simply a dietary analogy. However, people can tend to try & put too much meaning into things as well. Jesus did not mean that we were to quite literally eat him. Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by Brandybuck on Jul 15, 2006 15:49:15 GMT -5
I agree with Laurasia. Though from an outsider point of view (meaning that I have never been Catholic..or even Christian for that matter), I still study many religions and practices. Jesus was speaking more in a metaphorical way than making a literal statement.
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Post by ARELAN on May 6, 2007 17:56:58 GMT -5
Even if he didn't mean it literally, it's pretty much accentuated... "my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink". I was brought up as a Roman Catholic, and never found that they can give a real explanation on that... for some extend I agree with Laurasia, but I still feel it too accentuated to be only a metaphor for some reason.
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Post by Rowan on May 14, 2007 9:48:07 GMT -5
I agree too about it being a metaphor . Although one would wonder why he chose to use those words . Or if those are even the actual words he used , or possibly inserted at some re-edit over the years .
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Post by hadassah on Sept 11, 2007 21:15:52 GMT -5
It could be possible that he was talking about psy feeding. You can't actually drink his blood and eat his flesh but you could feed on his energy by being filled with his spirit. His cousin John said, I baptise you with water but he will baptise you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
I have felt his energy many times when asking to be filled with his Spirit. I believe we can feed on Jesus but not in a physical way but a spiritual way.
From my own experince:
I have felt his energy to the point of falling down, shaking, speaking in tongues and I have seen others touch in the same way that I was.
Christian people use different terms such as feeding, being filled, another drink, more power. More power is the same as more energy. And being drunk in the spirit. And there were many times when my friends and I would be drunk in the Spirit.
The energy feels like warm electric energy flowing though your body. Sametimes it makes your fingers feel numb and then there are times when this energy especially when you pray for someone to be healed.
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Post by Laurasia on Sept 12, 2007 8:28:59 GMT -5
I think that's a rather good analogy Hadassah. For those of us that are inclined to be more effected by such energies (&, more specifically, us psi vampires that are able to feed from Divine energies) it is very similar to psi feeding from the Divine. Whether that is what Jesus was literally speaking of when He said those words, I don't know. That is something for each of us to discover for ourselves.
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Post by hadassah on Sept 13, 2007 22:03:29 GMT -5
Well deep down inside my hear that is what I believe he was speaking about.
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Post by sui0juris on Sept 13, 2007 23:03:38 GMT -5
Hmm...I brought up a similar topic on a different forum. I asked if Jesus was a vampyre. It was a pretty popular thread too. As far as Jesus saying to eat his body, and drink his blood, he could have meant a few things. For one he may have actually been saying, "eat me", "drink my blood", and meant it literally. But to me when you look at the resurrection, it relay doesn't make any sense. Then maybe it was a metaphor. But then why did he use those words? Then again maybe his disciples actually were suppose to eat him after he died and he would live through them and go on spreading his teachings. Then again, maybe he didn't say what we believe he said. Mistranslations, a willing change of words to fit the changing times, someone just playing around? As far as I'm concerned this topic is nothing more then just a choice of belief. And if you want to believe that Jesus was telling his disciples to take part in cannibalism and sacrificing himself to them in that way to keep them alive while they were hiding so in three days they could rise up from their hiding place and spread his teachings, then ok. It kinda fits in a lot of ways.
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Post by hadassah on Sept 14, 2007 22:20:07 GMT -5
In Heaven there is going to be a wedding and a wedding dinner. Jesus is the bride groom and the church ( everyone who is his disciple) is his bride. I am not sure if the meal could be his body. It could be possible.
I could share this question at Open Heaven and see what some of the teachers answers would be concerning this and let you know what they say.
I don't believe that the communion elements change into Jesus but it could be possible that his energy could be in the elements when you offer it up in prayer.
I was thinking about this today that just maybe when the communion is prayed over Jesus energy is put into the communion elements. There has been testimonies of people getting healed taking communion.
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Post by hadassah on Sept 14, 2007 22:27:33 GMT -5
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Post by Rowan on Sept 17, 2007 18:38:16 GMT -5
Agreeing with Mish here . Its pretty much open to personal interpretion. The energetic metaphor feels most right to me.
On a slightly related note here concerning the energy felt in Christian ceremony. Dr. Mikao Usui who discovered and utilised Reiki ,was a Christian minister in Japan . One day some of the students asked him if he believed in the miracles which Jesus did .
Being a Christian minister he answered "Yes". They asked if he knew how Jesus had done this, "No" he said. With this he resolved to find the way in which Jesus had healed.
He set off on a journey and declared to the monks of this monastary his intention to fast and meditate for 21 days at a nearby mountain and that if he did not come back they should come and get his body.
Needless to say he had a spiritual experience and discovered how to utilise Reiki . After returning from this experience he began back down the mountain and was, from this moment on, able to heal See Google / Wiki for more details but thats the basic history.
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Post by hadassah on Oct 15, 2007 16:26:35 GMT -5
A prophetic Word by
MARY CLARK Marianna, Florida
The Living Bread
October 15, 2007
John 6:51 “I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever, and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
I tell you truly, beloved, that I am the living Bread. I am the life that the world can receive, if they will but come and partake, partake of this Bread that is forever alive and well, and eager to have one and all partake.
The very essence of My being offers eternal life to those who will partake. The very essence of the living God flows out to those who will say yes to Me.
I am truly the living Bread. In Me there is great sustenance, and there is life for every believer. There is much to go around. There is much to be had by those who will but partake. Partake. Eat. Be filled with this life-giving Bread, this Bread of life that offers to all who will receive the wonders of My presence.
I am truly the living Bread. I offer Myself to one and all. I hold back nothing. I am eager for one and all to partake of Me, enjoy Me, and behold Me in this contractual act. So join Me. Follow My course. Know the essence of My beauty and My bountiful love. Know the wonders of My grace. It is offered to you, if you will but partake, if you will but offer to comply with Me, following My course, and realize the wonder and pleasure of My company. Partake. Be filled. Eat your fill as you dine with Me, your God, the One Who gave all that you might enter into this place of wonder.
Partaking of the living God, the living Bread, is not to be taken lightly, beloved. It is a time to hold dear to you, to reverence. So know this and know it well: I, the living God, the living Bread, offer Myself to all who will receive. It is My desire that you be filled to capacity with the wonders of My grace. Come with a willing heart, a heart willing to be changed. Examine yourself. See if there is any fault within your heart. Confess it to Me. See the glow of wonder that My presence provides, and thank Me for it. Know that I am delighted to call you My own. I am delighted to have you draw near. I am delighted to fill you with Myself. Know, too, that the delight that this act, this act of contrition, brings much more pleasure to My heart than anything else you could do, because it paves the way for you to draw nearer. Yes, dear one, it offers to Me a heart that is pliable in My hands.
So know this. The living Bread is eager for you to step into the rich quality of life that He has to offer. He is eager to exchange something with you. I will give you peace, sweet peace in your heart, as you draw near with a willing heart, a heart willing to be changed into My likeness. Yes, I will change that heart, if you will but give it to Me, all of it, confessing those things that are contrary to My will, and letting Me advise you on the way that I wish for you to conduct your walk. It is a process that goes on and on. Yes, dear one, it is a daily walk, but you will see as time goes by that your God has kept up His end of the bargain. Yes, you will see that changes have taken place, deep, eternal changes, that have guaranteed you a strength and capability that is not your own.
Come. Feed on the living Bread. I will give you strength and the wherewithal to face the challenges of each new day. Come to Me every day and feed on Me, the living Bread, dear one, and be strengthened, strengthened in a way that will bring delight to your heart and delight to the One Who proposed this communion, this holy communion of love.
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Post by hadassah on Oct 15, 2007 21:36:08 GMT -5
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