Vampirism Throughout Lifetimes

[Laurasia]

This is a topic that I have heard many people speak of before. With statements such as "My soul has always been vampiric", "I was a vampire in a past-life", etc. (Though I have to say that I disagree with some peoples belief that just because they may have been a vampire in a past-life that makes them one in their current life. )

Well, as you all know, I have discovered that in my last incarnation as a Nazi I was a Sanguinarian vampire. This has brought up some questions for me. First off, it has solidified my thoughts about the vampic condition being able to come up within different incarnations. (I still don't believe that just because you have had the condition before or have it now that you are destined to always have it.)

However, it has also brought to mind some peoples' theories regarding Psi vampirism being a "higher form" of vampirism than Sanguinarianism. Based on the fact that one does not need physical contact in order to feed. I have a very hard time with that concept because it seems rather.....well, stuck-up. I can't bring myself to think of one form of vampirism being "better" than another. They simply employ different methods to the same end. Then again, there is the theory that a soul is supposed to improve from one incarnation to the next. I know that I have improved in many areas from that last lifetime, so perhaps the form of vampirism was an "improvement" as well.

I guess that I'm just mulling things over. Anyway, what do you guys think about all of this?

[dancer]

They simply employ different methods to the same end

Agreed. One is not better than the other, they just use different methods to get the same result. As I told someone *smiles* once, my method is cleaner but his is a lot more fun. I liken it to driving through the base. I can go straight and make two lefts to get the the PX, or I can make an immediate left then a right, then go straight. I'm still going to wind up at the PX.

[Shadow]

They simply employ different methods to the same end.

I'd have to agree with Dancer...

Based on the fact that one does not need physical contact in order to feed.

I'd have to say neither actually need physical contact. Think about it for a minute, and you can either take it and think I'm sick and twisted or see it from my perspective. A sang. can just as easily take the blood that's on the blade and never have to touch the other person. What about blood banks? With that, you don't even see the person it came from. Whoever these "people" may be need to look into things a little more before they go making theories. Just because a psi can feed without ever having to touch anyone doesn't mean that they are better than sangs. I would say more of what I think about this but I don't want to offend anyone who may have come up with this "theory". If you want to know, just ask.
-Heather


Not to offend anyone, just my opinion

[Laurasia]

Oh no insult taken, love. I agree with you regarding the people who believe such things. Thankfully I don't believe that any of them are members here - or at least they simply know better than to go spouting off with such nonsense on my boards.

While you are indeed right in your statement about the actual feeding method, you know that you're being a smart-aleck. What I mean by needing contact to feed is that you have to physically touch the catalyst of the energy - meaning the blood. You have to get it into your mouth one way or the other & whether that way involves your hands or an instrument is irrelevant.

[Shadow]

you know that you're being a smart-aleck.

I know... I did it on purpose. I know what you mean by it, I was only having alittle fun ;D But really, why would people come up with this theory? So you don't have to have contact.... and? Either way, it's still a deficiency in the body so neither is "better" that the other.

[Laurasia]

I absolutely agree. So, what about the condition recurring in seperate lifetimes?

[Rowan]

I have to agree with Brezo and Dancer about the Sang and Psi being equal in their status as methods of feeding . Like Dancer said the end result is the same and its just a matter of method that differentiates the two .Psi does seem to more convenient given the variety of methods used to feed.
As or the evolutionary part I'm still unsure about it because I havn't thought about it or looked into it .
Are there any other ways that might be even cleaner/ higher /requiring less effort that are known to feed apart from Psi or blood?
Also on the other end of the scale what would be the initial way of feeding for a first incarnation vampire ? As much as i hate to say it the word cannibalism jumps to mind.
Thus the sequence might go flesh> blood> energy >? Or in the opposite direction.Does that make any sense at all?


Looking at vampirism as a recurring negative trait would put it in the karmic illness category and hence the reasons for choosing this condition would have to fulfilled for it not to recur again.


One Quan Yin messenger states that the general idea is:

one must look into one's own karma, repent for one's sins, and find a way to restore one's magnetic field. For instance, we should do good deeds, respect and follow spiritual practitioners, reduce our intake of meat and liquor, and eliminate greed, animosity, and attachment. We should search for a high-level method of practice to cure ourselves.

So ,using that theory ,you are your own best doctor and have the tools available to cure yourself .

This leads me to wonder then if the condition is present in every incarnation and if it is reduced /improved little by little each time by deeds or learning, or is there one big single action that can cure the condition once and for all?
Does the condition feel more of a burden or a blessing?
Is there a reason a soul would choose this condition?
What deed could begin a vampiric karmic cycle?

These are the initial thoughts that your original question poses to me . As usual one question leads to more and if i don't ask il burst

[Shadow]

Wow... all the questions... and I though I was a curious young one! Nothing wrong with the questions with the exception of them making my head hurt.

This leads me to wonder then if the condition is present in every incarnation and if it is reduced /improved little by little each time by deeds or learning, or is there one big single action that can cure the condition once and for all?

I would think that if there were a "cure" someone would have told others.

[Laurasia]

Oh WOW Rowan! LOL! I'm really going to have to come back to this thread when I'm not at work since even my time on-line here has been reduced.

I definately will come back to it once I'm able to get on my computer at home though. You've given me quite a bit to think about, love.

[dancer]

one must look into one's own karma, repent for one's sins... reduce our intake of meat and liquor, and eliminate greed, animosity, and attachment. We should search for a high-level method of practice to cure ourselves.

Maybe those are my problems. While I do look at my karma, I am usually not sorry in the least for my sins. That is because I learn from each of them. While I may mess up, in each, there is a lesson, and very often, said sin is not repeated. Now, I am not talking about the 7 Deadly Sins of the Bible. I commit a few of those on a frequent basis, and dont repent one bit. Reducing intake..hmmmm..I actually dont drink much, but I am not getting rid of my wine collection. Greed really isnt an issue, it used to be. Animosity, hn..Only in one direction, but really, she deserves it, and worse. Attachment..Not giving that up either. I am not truly attached to much, but I flat out refuse to give up the things that I am attached to, unless they choose to leave. (and really..where are my 515's going to go, lol) The method to cure ourselves..While I see where he is going, is it wrong that I dont have issues being the way that I am? I think, in the practice of reincarnation, that this time was about love and acceptance. Given some of the past and what is current, acceptance seems to be the theme. Regarding the condition, as I seem to have hijacked the thread, I dont know about past lives. I know one, I think I posted it here, I will go look in a bit. Personally, I rather enjoy it. It does make for some inconveniences sometimes, but really, thats me being choosy.

Also on the other end of the scale what would be the initial way of feeding for a first incarnation vampire ?

No idea, I dont know that this is the first incarnation. It all came a little too easy once I got over the idea, then I realized that I'd been doing it for years, without meaning to. Then I figured out how to do it correctly. Like I said, it was an easy process after I got past the...yes, you guessed it..the acceptance part.

Thus the sequence might go flesh> blood> energy >? Or in the opposite direction. Does that make any sense at all?

Makes total sense, I just dont have an answer for you.

This leads me to wonder then if the condition is present in every incarnation and if it is reduced /improved little by little each time by deeds or learning, or is there one big single action that can cure the condition once and for all?

No, I dont not think that it is present in every incarnation. I think that there are some that the issues that come with this just do not correlate to the lesson plan. If there is incarnation, and if it does keep repeating a cycle, I think that the only action that is going to "cure" it is going to be ascension, being done with all the lessons.

Does the condition feel more of a burden or a blessing?

Once I got over it, I learned to love it. As I said earlier, it can be a pain, but the benefits, especially when in a long-term relationship, far outweigh the negative side.

Is there a reason a soul would choose this condition?

Good question, but no idea.

What deed could begin a vampiric karmic cycle?

No idea, but I would do it again.

Laur- I am loving the spell-check function.

[Laurasia]

Okay I'm home now, let's see about addressing this thread.

Are there any other ways that might be even cleaner/ higher /requiring less effort that are known to feed apart from Psi or blood?

Not to sound like a snob (I've already mentioned my feelings on this), but I can't really think of a "higher" way to feed than in the psi fashions. I mean it can be done without any outside indication, it can even be done while asleep.

Also on the other end of the scale what would be the initial way of feeding for a first incarnation vampire?

I have no idea, love.

As much as i hate to say it the word cannibalism jumps to mind.
Thus the sequence might go flesh> blood> energy >? Or in the opposite direction.Does that make any sense at all?

Yes, it does make sense. However, it also kind of resembles the whole "better-than-you" ideology as well. Then again, whose to say that psi feeding isn't a "higher" form of feeding. After all the process itself isn't arrogant, it's the attitudes of certain people that are.

Looking at vampirism as a recurring negative trait would put it in the karmic illness category and hence the reasons for choosing this condition would have to fulfilled for it not to recur again.

Very thought-provoking statement Rowan. While I can definitely recognize some of the situations within my current lifetime as being "karmic-balancers" for things done during my last lifetime, I can't really see why my soul would "choose" psi vampirism all of a sudden. Then again, perhaps the psi vampirism has nothing to do with any past incarnations. Perhaps it is the start of a whole new group of lessons, as it has been in large part through understanding my psi vampirism that I have come to understand myself & others to the degree that I've been able to. Of course, given my last lifetime, that may in fact be why I would have "chose" psi vampirism - to learn acceptance & understanding between differing people & things.

This leads me to wonder then if the condition is present in every incarnation and if it is reduced /improved little by little each time by deeds or learning, or is there one big single action that can cure the condition once and for all?

I would have to agree with D that, if the condition is present in all lifetimes, that ascension would be the only to "cure" it. And now you have wondering....Perhaps the condition is present in all lifetimes for us vampires. Perhaps it is simply lessened to such a degree during some of them that we have to feed so little (in the psi fashion) that we don't even recognize that we are doing it? Meaning that we would literally have to feed so little that it wouldn't be noticeable & we would thusly not even think about any type of vampirism.

Does the condition feel more of a burden or a blessing?

I really think of it as neither. More akin to having something like iron-deficiency & simply needing to take a supplement. Then again, I am very fortunate to have a willing donor available to me at all times coupled with the ability to feed from electronics. So perhaps I am simply spoiled? I do recall that before I knew how to feed properly & "food" was "scarce" it was a living he**. So I suppose that if one didn't have the means to care for the condition it would very much be a curse.

Is there a reason a soul would choose this condition?

I have no idea, love.

What deed could begin a vampiric karmic cycle?

Again, I have no idea.

And I thought that you would appreciate the site's spell checker D. It's easier than needing to copy & paste everything into your own program first. ;D

[Rowan]

Thanks for the detailed answers.
It stopped the buzzing in my head for a while at least

[boogieman]

only one thing seems to bother me a litte bit, you herd that every new life your sould evolves? Well I have herd and studied diffrent (although wiht now eveadence on a soul i can show hard proof) but the theroy was that every time ones soul jumps, everytime you enters a new body it leave parts behind and so weakaning. It is just a theroy however. As for vampireism occuring in past lives it is possible that you are simply born that way or atain it as you have in this life. But Also if all of your past lives are you and from your soul, then it is highly possible that you do have a vampiric soul. Perhaps that is simply who and what you are. Diffrent lives dont mean it will change. And it is possible that you were a vapm in your other past lives and just have not rememberd in enough detail that you were. I dont doubt any of your abbillitys dear Laurasia. It is simply my theroy and perhaps a few questions im asking my self about this all. And as for one being better, i think every diffrent style of something has its advantages over the others, but it dont mean one is better sense they both would have advantages over eachother. Its just some of my thouhgts on this matter. perhaps im wrong.

[Laurasia]

Oh don't apologize for giving your thoughts Boogieman. That's why I opened the discussion. I have heard of the theory that some people simply have "vampiric souls" & therefore the condition is present in all of their lifetimes. I simply have some trouble with that idea because of the fact that I do consider vampirism to be a "condition". Since other conditions do not repeat within every incarnation I find it difficult to believe that vampirism would either. Then again, as you said, these are simply my thoughts on the matter & I could most definately be wrong myself.

[boogieman]

Very True about it being a condition, and in those cases I agree it would be very diffucult. Unless ones soul when it passes and moves on to the next new body it seeks out a particular body type. Kind of like a magnetic attration, and then it is possible that certinsouls are attracted ones born with the condition of vampirism. Like diffrent types of ionic bonds or covalent bonds but on what ever level souls work. This may help explain why they only occure on certin lives and not all. Thanks dear, its been a while!