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Post by twilight on Oct 13, 2005 21:17:18 GMT -5
I was unsure of whether to put this in the Magic section or in here, since it relates to both.
Have any of you ever tried using the Tengwar like runes? The Cirth, or Angerthas, are far more rune-like in form, but the Tengwar have word-meanings for each letter which can be read similar to the Futhark, or other rune systems. I feel so much more of a connection to the Tengwar than most runes or symbols from other cultures. I can't really connect to cultures that used the runes centuries ago, but I feel so attuned to Middle Earth,that I can really understand and use this system.
~Aelish~
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Post by Laurasia on Oct 14, 2005 12:09:44 GMT -5
Hi Aelish. I can honestly say that I never tried using the Tengwar as runes, but I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to. Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by Brandybuck on Oct 14, 2005 20:04:25 GMT -5
Aelish, I have employed the use of runes in the past, but I have never used the Tengwar either. Hmm..something new to try. Learn something new every day.
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Post by Lomelindo on Oct 16, 2005 20:00:32 GMT -5
I have used the tengwar as runes pretty effectively...Thing is ...there is not much known about this kind of application. martin baker put up some stuff about the tengwar on www.alt-tolkien.com .....I worked on it for a while then got frustrated and gave up...I am now renewing my efforts and if anyone has any ideas or comments that could help ,it would be greatly appreciated.. namarie Artanaro
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Post by twilight on Oct 16, 2005 21:15:28 GMT -5
Well, what I did was just take each symbol with its meaning and sat down and thought, what does this mean to me? For example, the first four tengwar are: tinco, parma, calma, quesse, or metal, book, lamp, feather. Well, metal to me represents weaponry, or unyeildingness (is that a word?), but not in a negitive sense, (anga - iron has a similar meaning, but carries a negitive connotation to me, I'm not sure why, possibly because I think of Angband,"Iron Prison," the fortress of Melkor). Parma, a book, represents knowledge and learning. A lamp, calma, represents light, but it is different from silme "white light" or are "sunlight" in that a lamp is man made. So it represents, to me, "illumination" in a more intellectual sense, possibly going hand-in-hand with parma, knowledge being illuminated. It has to do more with revealing,or discovering relationships or problems between people, whereas are or silme would represent illuminating knowledge or relationships in and with the natural world. A feather,quesse, is the typical sign for air; to me I think more of flight and birds, something that is maybe above our heads, but we can hold a feather in our hands; symbolically we can come to some understanding even of those things which seem so far from us, or so different. A feather is also light and can float on the wind; I see this as a symbol of being somewhat "passive," not always in control, trusting the wind to bring us safely to the ground. I mentioned are, sunlight, before; I don't actually use this rune. I use esse, name. A name to me is something slightly different from the thing itself; while a name can sometimes be a warning or can contain information, it can also be deceptive of the nature of the thing named, (though not always in a bad way.)
So there are a few examples, but they are really personal. Tolkien didn't give us any associations; all we have to go on is a word. But words are powerful, every word has connotations to it, both personal and more "universal." Just like many people use the pictures on the Tarot to help them interpret the cards, I use the words of the Tengwar.
~Aelish~
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Post by Lomelindo on Oct 16, 2005 21:47:29 GMT -5
Yea I think there is alot of room for interpretation with this.... I am currently planning to reread all of Tolkien's materials and piece together as much as I can concerning the spirituality or the significance of the words in question (that are given for each letter).....This I will use as a basis to build upon later....I think it would be kind of cool to try to recreate a runic system based upon the tengwar...
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